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HP/MP/EXP change maybe

Started by Strolen Jul 18, 2003 26 posts Locked

  1. HP/MP/EXP change maybe

    #1
    Here is the description of the newest update of the stats. Sorry about the format, copied directly out of the code. Experience stays the same.

    /* Calculate Maximum and Current HP
    *
    * Maximum HP is a function of a user's level.
    * The higher level a user is, the higher maximum MP they will have.
    *
    * Current HP is a ratio of how many posts a user has made compared to
    * how much the user has written.
    *
    */

    /* LEVEL_HP_POST_BONUS
    * This value is the ammount of HP added to the user's max HP for each
    * post they have made.
    *
    * Rationale: HP measure the "Quality" of the user's recent posts.
    * Therefore, the more a user posts, the more they should be required to
    * meet, and exceed those expectations of Quality.
    *
    * Note: This value may be set to any value. Negative values are not recommended.
    */

    /* Calculate Maximum and Current MP
    * Maximum MP is a function of a user's level.
    * The higher level a user is, the higher maximum MP they will have.
    *
    * Current MP is based on how many posts a user has made within a
    * specified time period. The more posts they have made, the lower
    * their MP will be.
    */

    /* LEVEL_MP_TIME_BONUS
    * This value is the ammount of MP is added to the user's max mp for each
    * unit of $level_time_interval that has passed since they registered.
    *
    * For example, using the default time interval of 7 days,
    * and the default mp bonus of 1, a user who has been registered for
    * one year (52 weeks) will have 52 mp added to their normal maximum.
    *
    * Rationale: The rational behind this is that users who have been
    * registered longer should have more MP to post with than newer users.
    * Even if they are of the same Exp level.
    *
    * Note: This can theoretically be any number, positive, negative, zero, or fractional.
    * If zero, a user gains no bonus MP, if negative, a user will have less MP the longer
    * they're registered. This is not recommended.
    */


    Do we still like this thing? I do. Should we change it? Why not.


    Saw this site:
    http://www.ffdatabase.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1565

    A cool little expand/collapse script but it takes IE or Netscape with all their toys and I am always anti bells and whistles. The stats are unviewable for my normal browsing in Opera, but 90%+ users have IE so...........

  2. HP/MP/EXP change maybe

    #2
    The expanding and collapsing stuff was interesting for about 30 seconds. Although the Class icon feature was more interesting and the items button that I couldn't log into to see. If it were possible to meet halfway between what we have now and that, it might be cool, but not if it alienates that 10% of people that have something besides IE or Netscape.

    I think what we have now is working fine, although the LEVEL_HP_POST_BONUS seems to need tweeking. As recent members have shown, quantity isn't neccesarilly quality.

  3. HP/MP/EXP change maybe

    #3
    The items thing is a big mod, but it does allow you to collect points and use them to buy 'items' from the item shop, as well as customization stuff. Like initially you only get a set avatar and rank and no special name. Then you can earn points by posting and buy access to all these things.

    Better description
    http://www.phpbbhacks.com/viewhack.php?id=967

    Might be fun to try...I could set up a duplicate forum with that mod to do actual tests of it without 'ruining' this one. We like, I move it to here, we don't like we delete it.

  4. HP/MP/EXP change maybe

    #4
    From what I've been able to understand, it looks pretty cool, but I am programming illiterate. Could someone please explain it to me in layman's terms?

  5. HP/MP/EXP change maybe

    #5
    Found another explanation.

    ## This mod uses the original backbone developed by me, combined with some of Antony's code and ideas.
    ## The formulas for how HP and MP have been significantly changed to represnt distinctly different things.
    ##
    ## HP: This is a representation of how much "substane" a user posts. It compares the number of characters they have posted with the number of posts they have made recently. Thus, the longer a user's posts are, the more HP they will have. A user who consistently makes very short posts will have a low HP, while a user who consistently posts very large posts will have high HP.
    ## MP: This is a representation of how often the user has posted recently. It looks at the number of posts made recently. Each post a user has made within that time period costs the user MP. Thus, a user who has posted a large ammount recently will use more MP than someone who has not.
    ##
    ## As a comparison, HP is a measure of "Quality" where MP is a measure of "Quantity." Most variables can be edited so for busier or lighter boards, to normalize these values.

  6. HP/MP/EXP change maybe

    #6
    Oh. Okay then. That makes sense. Now what's this about items?

  7. HP/MP/EXP change maybe

    #7
    Is the Items mod similar to the chopping cart idea that's been kicked around?

    I like the ways HP and MP are being calculated now, even though the word game is probally lowering my HP.

  8. HP/MP/EXP change maybe

    #8
    I like the idea of giving less credit for short posts, since that would stop people like Sniperspy who I'm sure only posts in order to increase his stats. But here's another idea: why not scrap the whole system? It causes a great deal of confusion: many people think the stats actually mean something and that the whole site is a game based around them; it encourages competition instead of creative debate: people post to increase their HP rather than to contribute and help develop the site.

    ephe!

  9. HP/MP/EXP change maybe

    #9
    I would too consider removing the stats... it makes the page bigger, and got really boring now.

  10. HP/MP/EXP change maybe

    #10
    I haven't given up on them yet and I personally like them.

    Lets see how many complaints start flowing in about the reduced stats. :wink:

    I made the average size post required to maintain HP at 150 characters. Only we know that. I played around with a couple settings and that hits about right I think.

    I know you never liked the stats eph, sorry 'bout that, but I think they are fun overall. You are going to really hate me when I start experimenting with the point system and item shop.....muahahahahaha

    I think bulletin boards are fun and I like the toys on them. Lets see what happens with the change and I can always concede to the dissappearance of them if that is the consesus. You know me, if I have the time, I aim to please. :lol:

  11. HP/MP/EXP change maybe

    #11
    Fine by me! I think this way you get the best of both worlds: people get the stats if they want them, but they don't have too negative an effect on the board.

    There is a loophole though. Consider the following post:

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    Many more than 150 characters, but not at all constructive.

    ephe!

  12. HP/MP/EXP change maybe

    #12
    I had no idea that you would be the first. :?: :!:

    LOL

    There is a loophole to everything, but if they start doing crap like that it will be painfully obvious and lightning will strike them.

    Boosted your HP though didn't it. hehehehe

  13. HP/MP/EXP change maybe

    #13

    speaking of which, have you seem Strolen's new system of our hp/mp? Its making it so we can easily see who is not contributing to the site by looking at their profile! I think most of us (myself included) need to start treating this more as a forum instead of just a chat room.


    Promising...promising..... :lol: :wink:

    Don't ask where I found it, already lost it. Going through deleting that goblef's crap.

  14. HP/MP/EXP change maybe

    #14
    That is promising. Sniperspy actually caring about making this site a better place. It's great when things work out the way they're intended.

  15. HP/MP/EXP change maybe

    #15
    Indeed! That's a very good sign! However, look at this:

    http://www.rpgcitadel.com/guild/index.php?topic=577.0

    As predicted. However, if he makes a big enough fool of himself maybe this thread will only serve to help our cause...

    ephe!

  16. HP/MP/EXP change maybe

    #16
    This thread a little bit too.

    http://www.rpgcitadel.com/guild/index.php?topic=531.0&start=120

    What came before it was a little complaining by Dim.

  17. Actually it would be fine as a chat room...

    #17
    if entries in the two chat areas did not count towards your score. That way you could have a strong social area and still be able to use the stats to judge who is contributing big time to the site.

    Do have the social posts count towards hit point bonus if possible, but not level. Not magik points either.

    npc/ scenario/ item/ setting/ idea Posts should impact your score somehow.

    If you did all that Sniperspy would just collapse, as his level would drop to around 3 and so on. Same with Dimens... But it would help us have best of both worlds.





    Is Dimensified, Citized back on his med?

  18. HP/MP/EXP change maybe

    #18
    oooohhhhh. Good point. I will see if there is something that I can shut off post counting in certain threads. Somebody else has had to of thought of that before and created a fix for it.

    Thanks for that idea. Will look for it!!

  19. HP/MP/EXP change maybe

    #19
    Been thinking a little about this and I don't want to turn off post counts in those forums because of the newbies introducing themselves and asking questions and such. I don't want them posting and not getting any credit for it.

    So maybe I can solve it this way. I can make a specific forum for meaningless chatter...even more meaningless then the Citadel Tavern. I will let them name it since they will be using it. Then I can turn off the post count in there and it will be a forum we don't ever have to monitor. Hopefully the two other forums will be used what they are designated for and hopefully everybody is happy.

    The greetings traveler thread will be harder to keep from exploding sometimes, but as long as the new person is participating in their own thread and it hasn't been taken over then there shouldn't be a problem. That could be a rule. The thread can be used as long as the newcomer is involved. Otherwise we can split the thread and throw the chatting portion into the Chat Forum.

    We can immediately move a ton of threads there, may have to split some other threads and get all the chat out of them and send them to the Chat forum. Then I can run a script that recalculates the post count and bring at least one person back to earth :wink: That will probably help there stats and give them a place to just chat away without worrying and without bothering anybody else.

    Give me a quick yeah or nay.

  20. Then can we move the Word Game

    #20
    The Word Game is a frequent dodge used by people to boost their post count by playing back and forth. While it can be done, it is really an excuse to generate dozens of posts, while actually posting nothing. It does not have anything to do with gaming, nor introducing yourself, or really anything except an occasional fun post or dozens of cheap quick posts.

    Upon contemplation, why do they need to increase their post count if they are not generating content? In fact, we should tell them the way to increase their level is to post game related content, even tangetial game related content. While implied, there are a few people that need this explained (Yuma to Citicized gives you the spectrum of such).

    More contemplation shall be needed.

  21. HP/MP/EXP change maybe

    #21
    Captain Penguin did move this to the 'no post count zone' but left a 'shadow' in the original thread for some reason.

    Nothing in the 'Extraneous Voices of Picayune' counts towards the post count and I reran the script to count actual posts without those two forums. Sniper was the worst and lost 1000+ posts and Captain lost quite a few as well.

    I don't like shadow topics so I will do some rearranging and see if I can get rid of the shadow. They are annoying to me as well and cause some confusion, but all it does is link to the topic now being held in Inane Natter.

    Will be changed momentarily.

    Captian Penguin did a great job dissecting the posts and putting all the chat posts in the new forum while still leaving the integrity of the introductions!!

    I will post an announcement to point out the changes but I think they know already what is going on.

  22. HP/MP/EXP change maybe

    #22
    The counsel of Ria has met and has decided that the MP EP QRSTUV has outlived its usefulness.

    So I have come to the late realization that many of you had immediately and so by trout and underneath the table the mod will be removed at my earliest convenience window drapes.

  23. HP/MP/EXP change maybe

    #23
    And now you have seen what has become of that :)

  24. HP/MP/EXP change maybe

    #24
    Dang, there goes my Quality Stat again.

    Maybe we should take the Admin forum out of the Post count as well. That is only fair!

  25. HP/MP/EXP change maybe

    #25
    Actually it is fair.

    My ratings will be fairly low, because I normally am editing existing posts (adding things) rather than doing new posts.

    How about an action rating, showing your recent number of posts vs your total number of posts, adjusted for your level.

    Current Posts*level*100/ Total posts: This should give you a number from 0 to 100.

    This kind of stat would show action and activity, but not be impacted by quality. It would give the freeforms something to measure themselves by.

    Just a thought...

  26. HP/MP/EXP change maybe

    #26
    There is another thing that could give word count. Some what to get that into the mix?

    (And this is actual words, not characters)

    ((this counts ALL forums again, next mod he said he would limit it to chosen ones. I am still trying to figure out how to do that myself))

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