Druid Wiking

1. Druid Wiking

   #1

   I am somewhat concerned about this user. He has not done anything wrong, but his constant use of nazi symbols and references bother me. He is obviously one of those "Germanic Power" guys, and part of the german hackster sub culture.
   
   Still: No crime commited by him. Perhaps it is only that over reacted when I recognized the neo nazi band that he quoted and put it together with all the norse/germanic iconry.
   
   What should we do about such things?
   
   ...There is no law against listening to neo nazi music, having nazi slogans about the "White Race" in the "personal text" area below the avatar, nor in displaying obvious nazi imagery.
   
   But it is very bad form!
   
   Do we want to be associated with the neo nazi movement?
   
   Your thoughts?

2. Re: Druid Wiking

   #2

   Ummm...
   I have noticed this myself, and I really don't like it... In fact, white supremacism infuriates me.
   But I don't know what to do.
   It's the same token as the whole "Gay Pride Parade and White Power Parade" controversy- you can't allow free speech for gays and not for white supremacists.
   
   But, I REALLY REALLY don't want to be associated with any kind of white supremacist or neo nazi.
   
   Maybe we should tell him we're all Jewish. ;) That'll scare him off.

3. Re: Druid Wiking

   #3

   Well those of us of the true superior race tend to laugh at these little nazi posers. The Nazis were simply pawns of other illuminated figures, who were abandoned when their particular masters were "removed". They crumbled without a superior beings continuosly propping up their simple fear orriented organization. Now, like a child's toy, someone picks up the group to move its agenda, all the time these fools are being manipulate and used by simple fear to serve agendas which are actually against what they think they believe in.
   
   Or words to that effect might bother him away.  :twisted:
   
   :moon: :moon:
   

4. Re: Druid Wiking

   #4

   OK, to act on this I need specifics with references so I can justify myself to him and have my own argument (if any) with him without bringing others into the mix.
   
   I will try and figure this out as I can but if you already know some of this and can help then please.
   
   What does his avatar mean (with links)?
   What about his signature is bad? My ignorance finds it an odd quote about the police, but no overly insane...have no idea where the quote came from though.
   I spent a few minutes on the site that was mentioned somewhere with him and went straight to the forums, and I found quite a few interesting conversations but nothing that threw me. I am sure I probably got 'lucky' though and didn't look at much else in the time I had.
   
   Just trying to get a feeling for what might need to be done. We might have some help once he submits a few things which appears may happen.
   
   If something is 'bad' then feel free to immediately put it in private and let me know about it.
   
   Thanks!!

5. Re: Druid Wiking

   #5

   He does not break any rules. I do not think we should do anything at the moment.
   
   

6. Re: Druid Wiking

   #6

   Well, the quote beneath his picture is German, a call for the "white race" to do something, but my German isn't that good... Red, white, and black are traditionally the colors of Nazi rallies, and his symbol is an iron cross. That's my proof.

7. Re: Druid Wiking

   #7

   Also, check out his post here:
   http://www.strolen.com/guild/index.php/topic,197.new.html#new

8. Re: Druid Wiking

   #8

   Oh, he has nazi sympathies, that's for sure. In the quotes thread he quotes an obscure nazi band that I know of because a friend back at high school used to joke about them.

9. Re: Druid Wiking

   #9

   Until he actually does something offensive, or someone complains to one of the mods, I dont think that there is anything that should be done. I would consider him to be on Stolen Probation, and remain so until he removes the items in question from his profile. If he steps out of line, ban him.
   
   We don't have to tolerate other's intolerances.

10. Re: Druid Wiking

    #10

    I reread my previous incoherence...don't ask.
    
    I agree, the flag and symbology (although at least it doesn't have the swastika in that cross) are on the edge. If it was just the cross we could pretend it was neopoleonic era decoration or he was in a motorcycle gang, but the flag throws that over the edge.
    
    But, he hasn't done or acted in an innappropriate manner except the avatar, so best I could do would be to ask him to remove his avatar?...

11. Re: Druid Wiking

    #11

    Has he done anything wrong on this page? I wouldn´t say so.
    
    Shold we keep a closer look on the guy? I´d say yes.
    
    The quote is soomething along the lines of ´bare your head, white race´, either a few words clumsily translated into German, or a quote of something that tries to be poetic or archaic... and fails at it, at least to my meagre knowledge of Deutsche Sprache.
    
    We shall see.
    
    Oh, and, I would not want to ban somebody who calls himself ´The Last Freethinker alive´. :)
    Maybe it is just a lone freak. We can handle those.
    
    ---
    
    Aside: I should have known it. As we are getting more popular, we cannot evade certain topics. Sooner or later, they will come here.

12. Re: Druid Wiking

    #12

    I agree fully with Scrasamax and manfred here. Keep an eye.
    
    As for the nazi avatar... We could claim to be politically and religious neutral ground and ban the use of political or religious imagery.

13. Re: Druid Wiking

    #13

    I PM'd him to get a feeling for how difficult he is going to be about it. Will see what kind of reply I get. I personally want the avatar and quote (now that I know what it means) gone. That is already going in the wrong direction. If he gets rid of the avatar and custom title without a fight then there will be no issues with anything else at this point.

14. Re: Druid Wiking

    #14

    Well, quoting HITLER in a post on the board to say (in a somewhat non-sequitur way, might I add) that it's GOD'S WILL that the Jews be removed is pretty offensive to me...

15. Re: Druid Wiking

    #15

    While with the immediate implications of the avatar you can construe that as a pointed remark, if you remove that emphasis it remains in the context of something already brought up. I can see it being questionable but....
    
    Bringing up the nazis in any way is bad mojo. Shouldn't have started it in the first place. You can see his point, from the perspective of the nazis they probably were lawful good. So it goes to show that alignments are purely arbitrary and pretty meaningless.
    
    Hard time using that as negative ammo considering the topic. With his poor argument he could mean any number of things, including the one CP sees (and I see too, just isn't enough to condemn him).
    
    Remember, this dude is probably pretty smart and probably has a lot of friends that probably aren't against attacking a website. I am trying to use a gentle approach to avert any disaster....but you see how now I am stereotyping? Entire situation is making me grind my teeth.

16. Re: Druid Wiking

    #16

    Another 2 cents:
    We need to be polite and honourable towards everyone, regardless of their opinions. If people start advocating drug use, deviant political groups, terror bombings, illegal sex, or *eyes full of panic and fear* SPAMMING, we should politely tell them to stop.
    
    Rude behaviour is childish and immature. As a respected site we ought to be polite towards everyone, even those who make us gag. A kind request of avatar removal has never hurt in the past. If he is fanatic about it... Well... We boot him.
    
    My 2 cents about this dude... aka wild guessing:
    
    -He is from South Colorado (cuz his IP tells me so)
    -He is not german (his german sucks)
    -He is a member of Colorado's white supremacy groups (His use of avatars and his topics)
    -He is poorly educated (based on his logic and spelling. Very few intellectuals spell and argue like that)
    
    The white aryan movement idolizes the past. Hitler and the nazis extensively used romanticised versions of history, and delved deep in germanic and anglo-saxon history, mythology and occultism. I could see why an individual with these values would visit Strolen's. We do pseudo-medieval european games after all. The layout is very much anglo-saxon. 
    
    -----------------------
    About Colorado white supremacy:
    

    Colorado has an uneasy past with racism and anti-Semitism, beginning with the Ku Klux Klan's dominance of state politics in the 1920s, and punctuated by the KKK march in the late 1970s and Berg's 1984 assassination
    
    [...]
    
    The National Alliance, the country's largest white-supremacist group, has been distributing fliers in Colorado communities, most recently in Boulder.
    
    Although the fliers target black people, the National Alliance "is anti-Semitic, anti-immigrant, anti- black. They're equal-opportunity haters," Zuckerman says.

17. Re: Druid Wiking

    #17

    This reminds me of Neville Chamberlain and Hitler.
    BUT
    Because the call is clearly for tolerance of a person I find intolerable, I'll go along with it. I suppose I see the wisdom of not pissing this asshole off.

18. Re: Druid Wiking

    #18

    Yes, tolerance...
    *Inhale*
    *Exhale*
    
    But if you see any word association threads...
    :twisted:

19. Re: Druid Wiking

    #19

    Yeah, I used  :x to be on the forums of discord,
    and am thinking of joining the resistance boards.
    
    Other good boards people like?
    Please list them here

    
    
    I deleted the white resistance link. I found it unfitting for the site to have outgoing links to nazi sites.

20. Re: Druid Wiking

    #20

    Thank you!
    
    Still waiting for a response. In the current mood I am in I am going to remove his title quote. Will leave the picture for another couple days.

21. Re: Druid Wiking

    #21

    Just to update:
    
    Druid took it very well and appreciated that I took it straight to him. You will see that he has changed the icon and from his words I can't see having a problem with him.

22. Re: Druid Wiking

    #22

    Well, that's good.

23. Re: Druid Wiking

    #23

    Aside from some rather socially unaccepted personal views, I have to admit that Druid_Wiking does seem to be behaving himself rather well.

24. Re: Druid Wiking

    #24

    Now, but there is something really interesting in this one:
    
    http://www.strolen.com/guild/index.php/topic,3031.msg40549.html#msg40549
    
    
    If you insult somebody, expect to be treated according to it.
    ...
    And remember, we have your IP.  :twisted:
    
    
    I find it mildly amusing.

25. Re: Druid Wiking

    #25

    I made it its own thread. Major thread drift with that one if it continues. Had to put my nickel in. :)

26. Re: Druid Wiking

    #26

    Fuck him.

27. Re: Druid Wiking

    #27

    I now find my convictions tested, in that I believe in free speech and poeple should be allowed their opinion no matter how ignorant it is. DW has left a comment on my Via Humanitae sub and I dont like it one bit.
    
    

28. Re: Druid Wiking

    #28

    Druid_Wiking
    
    
    
    Mar 14, 2006 23:03
    Link: [1309#13395|text]
    XP: [  +    -  ]  ( 0 ) all hail the SS - I mean W.A.R. - I mean Via Humanitae. Where can I join?
    
    
    Potestas Humanica !!!
    
    poof -  gone.
    
    

29. Re: Druid Wiking

    #29

    http://www.strolen.com/guild/index.php/topic,3065.msg37574.html#new
    
    

    All Hail strolen, king of gamers!

    
    
    :what: Oh no! Strolen has become the new aryan icon! Hehehe :p

30. Re: Druid Wiking

    #30

    Do you mock me?
    
    KNEEEEEEELLLL INFIDEL

31. Re: Druid Wiking

    #31

    wait, wait...
    we should do this correctly!
    
    Heil Strolen! Konig aus spielers

32. Re: Druid Wiking

    #32

    Puffs out chest even though he didn't try and translate that and hopes it was something positive but not wanting to show his ignorance.

33. Re: Druid Wiking

    #33

    Unsere letzte hoffnung, STROLEN!
    
    
    
    (that one's from an actual Nazi propaganda poster)

34. Re: Druid Wiking

    #34

    He pissed me off today.
    He was spouting white-supremacist garbage (including calling his mother a "race-traitor"), UNPROVOKED, in the chatroom, I tried to not get involved...
    Finally, I said "America is the land of the *free*, let's leave it at that", and he said "yes, unless the government is imprisoning you for defending yourself against a hostile race" and I said "fuck you, I'm done with this conversation".
    
    Not my finest reaction.
    
    BUT
    I will NOT stand for it.
    I want him banned.

35. Re: Druid Wiking

    #35

    shit fuck damn

36. Re: Druid Wiking

    #36

    I will PM his last warning.

37. Re: Druid Wiking

    #37

    And you expect him to listen?
    The last time he consented, then began resenting our non-politics agenda as "suppressive", and now he is openly ignoring what we said, flaunting dubious political opinions.
    
    Well. Good luck.

38. Re: Druid Wiking

    #38

    Not going to give him just one warning and dump him. It is usually three strikes you're out and I will stick with that. One more breech and he is done.
    

39. Re: Druid Wiking

    #39

    If we jump the gun, and break our own rules becuase we are offended by his commentary, we validate everything he says about us being oppressive. 3 strikes and he is out, not one more or less.

40. Re: Druid Wiking

    #40

    Nothing wrong with that. The good luck was more in case he went ballistic and began DDoS-ing the page and stuff (Distributed Denial of Service... An angry hacker's last resort... Basically the hacker uses lots of computers in his control to rapidly query the server, soaking it in requests, effectively grinding it to a halt (due to request overload, hence "Denial of Service").
    
    I think Druid has become lost in the pathways of his own mind. I do not think we can reach him, even though I do think he is basically a bright lad.
    
    Anyways: Sorry. I did not mean to sound like I wanted to reject him outright. I do not care if people are white supremacists, communists, republicans, moslem, christian or democrats*... (As long as they don't push their bulls**t on me, that is). It just feels like he has shut his mind completely. He has weighed us and found us wanting.
    
    *Well, I do not think a public forum is the place to advocate hate and strife, but that is another matter entirely.

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