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   #41

   Buffy who? That blonde tart with a badass attitude and a sadomasochistic vampire fetish? :twisted:

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   #42

   Yes, that one. While the movie Buffy and the TV Buffy are two very different people (and one of the reasons that people who have never seen much of the TV show hate it), the concept is the same. Everyone bags on this show, yet have not seen enough of the episodes to watch the character development and theme development go on. Each seasons is a complete story arc and worthy of watching.
   
   Watching Buffy is kind of like watching Babylon 5, if you don't watch enough episodes in a row, you just don't get it and think its crap. Once you do, you realize the genius behind it, and love it.
   
   And if Buffy is all that bad, then why has it spawned a spinoff, hundreds of fan sites (with some of the best and I must admit worst fan fic I have ever read), a few dozen books (kind of like Star Trek that way), and an RPG with a spinoff RPG (much better than the Star Trek ones...). The question we should ask is not if Buffy is bad, but why are you in such a minority opinion about it?

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   #43

   Well said,Moon. Buffy rocks! Pardon such a juvenile slogan on my part,but I feel strongly about a show that changed my life in some ways.

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   #44

   Hey, that incitement was meant for Cheka! :lol:
   I knew you were a big fan as well, but did not expect you to respond. I thought you would shake your head in frustration and annoyance, maybe, but respond, no ;)
   
   IMHO Buffy is an alright TV show. I'd rather watch Jessica Alba in Dark Angel, but hey, that show got discontinued while Buffy was a huge success. Babylon 5 is great! As for Buffy... A nice ol' show, but not on my top 5 list.
   
   Then again I am one of those who just might not get it... Too little time spent before the TV. Or perhaps I am the only one with good taste on this forum :twisted: (That was a joke gentlemen :) )

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   #45

   Hey,I enjoyed Dark Angel myself. Jessica Alab was perfect for the role, And there were other compelling characters too,like the disturbed Agent White,a vicious villain,but a loving father too.

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   #46

   I read that Dark Angel was orginly meant to be called Hell's Angel but the Hell's Angel's lawyers launched legal offensives against it. :roll:

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   #47

   Actually, Moon, I love Babylon 5 and I loathe Buffy the Vampire Slayer (and yes, I have watched more than a couple episodes).
   
   Buffy the Vampire Slayer brims with all the kind of the black-and-white vision of the world that teenagers are full of, and the cynicism and pathetic jokes are skin-deep. Deep themes? Don't make me laugh.
   
   Babylon 5, on the other hand, was still black-and-white, but there were definitely large grey areas. Except for the Drach or whatever they were called, there were really not many examples of true evil. Even the Shadows were not as explicitly evil as the Drach, just reflecting a side of existence which humans regard as evil- opportunistic, live-for-the-self survival. The Vorlons, while maintaining an appearance of absolute goodness, where also meddlers (i.e., they engineered the appearance of psychic powers in humans) and refused to leave well enough alone and such. There was actual drama and philosophical thought in Babylon 5, which was sorely lacking in Buffy.

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   #48

   My problem with Buffy: tVS--both the movie and television show--was with the original premise. I find the very concept of a vampire hunter absurd. Vampires are just higher on the food chain. It would be like a a sheep who was specially "chosen" to stop the vicious depradations of the vile humans--Fluffy the Human Slayer.

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   #49

   CP
   Television, in large, is black-and-white in the morality department. It is simple and people like their entertainment simple.
   
   Buffy, unlike Babylon 5, there has actually been scholarly papers on and conferences upon the socialological and psychological ideals manifested in Buffy. Taking it a bit too far, okay.
   
   Article I picked up off the AP
   
   NASHVILLE, Tenn. — It's tough for scholars to be taken seriously when their subject is a TV show about a California blonde fighting evil in a high school built on a gateway to hell.
   
   Particularly when the title is as campy as "Buffy the Vampire Slayer." (search)
   
   But enough professors and writers study the comedic drama and its spinoff, "Angel," to hold a deadly serious academic conference here this weekend attracting more than 325 people.
   
   Buffyologists (search) from as far away as Singapore were presenting 190 papers on topics ranging from "slayer slang" to "postmodern reflections on the culture of consumption" to "Buffy and the new American Buddhism."
   
   There was even a self-conscious talk by David Lavery, an English professor at Middle Tennessee State University, on Buffy studies "as an academic cult."
   
   Lavery and Rhonda Wilcox, a professor at Gordon College in Georgia, co-hosted the conference and are known as the "father and mother" of Buffy studies. They acknowledged they've endured a lot of ridicule from colleagues, but said that's part of the topic's allure.
   
   "It keeps the uncool people away. If you can't get past the title you have no business watching," said Lavery, who co-wrote a book on Buffy with Wilcox.
   
   "It's a badge of honor," said Wilcox, adding that the feeling is similar to a central theme of the show. "The main characters are outsiders. Others are looking at them funny, but they know they're doing the right thing so they do it anyway."
   
   When Wilcox first heard the show's title, she thought "it would either be stupid or the anti-stupid. Within the first few minutes I realized how wonderful and clever it was."
   
   Wilcox, who wrote her doctoral thesis at Duke University about Charles Dickens, compared the show's depth and texture to his 19th century serial novels. "I think it's a great work of art."
   
   It's also become quite a teaching tool.
   
   College courses across the globe are devoted to the show, which was canceled last year, and secondary schools in Australia and New Zealand also provide Buffy classes. Episodes often are used to reach troubled teens, Lavery said.
   
   Geraldine Bloustien, a professor who teaches Buffy among classes on communication studies and media production at the University of South Australia, coordinated a similarly popular academic Buffy conference last year in Adelaide.
   
   "It's fascinating that here is a piece of television enjoyed all over the world," she said. "It has a coherence and a depth I hadn't seen for such a long time. It's like `Sesame Street,' which you can appreciate on several levels."
   
   About a dozen scholarly books on Buffy have been written, including one from the prestigious Oxford University Press coming out next year.
   
   Jana Riess, a religious book editor for Publishers Weekly, said she's gotten tremendous response to her book "What Would Buffy Do? A Vampire Slayer as Spiritual Guide." On Friday, the conference bookstore sold out its copies and she had to bring extras in from her car.
   
   She said she first got "sucked" into the show when she was pregnant and up late one night. "I was so entertained, and then I was embarrassed that I was so entertained.
   
   "But then some of the best conversations I had about spiritual and moral issues were sparked by scenes from Buffy, like what happens after we die and whether the needs of one should outweigh the needs of the many."
   
   Riess was thrilled with the opportunity to connect with fellow Buffyologists:
   
   "We are the few, the proud, the lonely."
   
   So there :P
   
   Kinslayer
   Actually, once you know all their weaknesses, vampires are pretty darn easy to kill. This is true in both fiction and gaming. Think about the classic monster movie formula... all this "oooooh" and "ahhhh" and "oh my god!", then they find out about the monster. They catch the monster sleeping in the daylight (or caught in the daylight) and poof... it is all over. If they don't catch the monster sleeping it is because of some contrived plot twist that prevents them. In gaming, once you figure out it is a vampire, apply some detective work, a little trap disarming, and "yawn" dead vampire. My Stalking the Night Fantastic players actually used to yawn once they figured out it was another vampire to slay. (Until the monsters started using enchanted sunscreen and contacts... they they could limitedly daywalk... but that is another story).
   
   They are not predators, for all their bluff and romantic bravo, they are parasites. Sure, they might pick off a staggler or two, but once they are revealed... it is pretty much over.
   
   So no, it is not that difficult to believe a lone girl is healing the body of humanity from the worms that feed off of it.
   
   
   In fact, that most monsters are just parasites off humans (emotions, blood, what ever). A few that are not, don't specifically hunt humans... humans just happen to be an easy kill and they are hungry.

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    #50

    You're trying to bait me, aren't you?

    Humans just happen to be an easy kill and they are hungry.

    ... And they're good eating!
    
    The University of Newcastle upon Tyne's site defines a parasite as, "an organism which obtains food and shelter from another organism," and a predator as, "an animal that kills its prey and then feeds on it to subsist until the next kill." Admittedly, both definitions could be applied to vampires of myth, fiction, and gaming, but the same could be said about humans. The predator definition seems to fit them better, but I concede your point.

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    #51

    I still despise Buff the Vampire Slayer.

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    #52

    ''Buffy the Vampire Slayer brims with all the kind of the black-and-white vision of the world that teenagers are full of''
    
    Captain,you are dead wrong on that count. Not every villain or demonic fiend that appeared on Buffy,was a one dimensional ''I'm so evil '' character to be killed off like a rat. It's worth noting that some of the Slayer's allies were people with dark,sinister pasts. You have to watch beyond the first season to realize this.

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    #53

    I still despise Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

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    #54

    Will I never get you to see the light?! Heathen!

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    #55

    Keep the faith, CaptainPenguin. 
    
    Buffy sucks.

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    #56

    So Captain doest like Buffy? Big deal, the only reason I pay attention to BtVS is that I plan on adding Allyson Hannigan to my harem of red headed sex slaves, make room Gillian Anderson, Gerri Halliwell, and Milla Jovovich.
    
    I didnt find the show to be very deep, but in our modern age of skepticism and lack of mythology, anything popular is going to draw a certain amount of attention. Harry Potter has an almost religious following, and opposition.
    
    It was just a TV show, and if people want to define their lives by a TV series that was a spin-off of a movie that had Pee-Wee Herman in it, well then thats their problem.
    
    Allyson Hannigan, if you read this, will you have my children???

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    #57

    Yeah, Allyson Hannigan registers a "double d**n" on my hot-o-meter...
    
    ...Ahem.. Now that I sound really skeevy...

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    #58

    Hate to dig up star wars again but I finally saw Ep III.
    
    
    
    Is it me or do all the characters seem like cardboard cutouts. Looks like a B movie except for the special effects...which still aren't as good as LOTR. Some of the ships flying and manuevering just looks like pure cheese.
    
    The turning of Anikan is so forced it makes me try and hide in the couch as I watch the forced lines with no real emotional backing. You know he is going to turn to the dark side and it seems Lucas just takes this for granted and expects us to buy how easy it was to do. Crap, pure crap. I try to let it go but it is just so unbelievable I get frustrated watching it. Might be more convincing if I could stand the acting of whoever that is playing Anikan. And Samuel Jackson sucks as a Jedi. It must be that Lucas wants them to be cardboard actors as it seems everybody is doing it.
    
    Ep I. I enjoy watching the race with my son, sound system is great.
    Ep II. Is it bad that I can't think of one memorable scened to mention?
    Ep III. Literally painful for me to watch. I have actually not even seen it straight through from beginning to end because it is so annoying to me.
    
    Very unfulfilling transformation to the dark side. "Oh, I can save my love and a few of the jedi are 'in a conspiracy'? OK, I will go mutilate a dozen kids or so."
    
    Please tell me what I am missing!
    
    edit - I like the general being all bio/robot stuff. But why the hell is he wheezing/hacking? You mean with all that hardware they can't replace a frickin lung?

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    #59

    Well Strolen that one scene... err...  ahh they got married in Ep 2. 
    
    Just so you don't feel to bad it took me about 5 minutes to think of that, and I gave up and went to wikipedia looking for a scene.  I typed in 'star wars episode 2' for this and then came up with the marriage off the top of my head before the search finished loading.  Just to show you how unmemorable Ep 2 was, it was 11th on the list of search results, and only appears once on the first page.

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    #60

    Well, there was one scene in Ep. 2 that I really dug and that was when Yoda and the clone troopers deployed on Geonosis in the republic gunships. The mix of the seperatists overlooking the holographic battlemap while yoda, take me to the front line you will...
    
    But I am a sucker for war movies, and for that short period, the Force, and the Jedi and the whole story took a back seat to a major land battle between clones and droids.
    
    Ep 3 had a similar scene...the first few minutes of the movie as the two fleets clashed over Coruscant.
    
    But Star Wars...either you love it, or you hate it.
    

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    #61

    I love half of it..

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    #62

    If said half is Episodes 4-6, possibly excepting the ewoks, I'm 129% with you

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